Dirty Jews

[CrazySlasher]

Blah blah blah fucking Jews blah blah blah look what they do to Palestine blah blah blah.


If I went to Israel I'd be treated like a human being. If I go to Palestine they'll cut my fucking throat. Why anyone would side w/those corrupt, prehistoric barbarian Palestinians is beyond me.

As far as the Jews killing Jesus, wasn't the purpose of Jesus to die on the cross for our sins? If so, it was all part of gods master plan. So when you say fuck the Jews for killing Jesus, you're saying fuck god for killing Jesus.

[kittyleap]

as exciting as this debate is, this section is about photos. there is an appropriate section "the senate" where you can discuss the pros and cons of being jewish/muslim etc.

[Mondocane]

Originally Posted by Zyber

LOL. The Pagans killed him along with thousands of other Jews.

You believe in mindless Christian bullshit myth written a hundred years after the alleged events by a pro-Roman Jew who wrote the gospels hoping to blame the Jews and make the Romans more favorable. The earliest gospel, the alleged Gospel of Mathew, creates a legend favorable to the Romans, since at this time the Christian-Judaism sect was becoming a popular cult among the Romans, much more so than the Jews to whom Jesus originally preached. You are aware that all the apostles were Jews…including the authors of the Greek Gospels?

Never, not once did the Roman governor of Judea, Pontius Pilate ever hold a clemency rally to pardon any Jew or prisoner. Of the hundreds, if not thousands of governing records kept by the Romans of their occupations in various provinces, did a governor of Judea ever offer clemency to any subjugated people. In the case of Christ, it was alleged that each year the governor would on the eve of Passover, an important Jewish holiday, offer the Jews a prisoner clemency as a gift. There is not one single piece of evidence that the Romans ever did this by the accounts of the Roman Archives nor even by Hebrew accounts during the 500 year or more of Roman occupation of Judea. Not a shred of evidence that Pontius Pilate did this outside three of the Gospels which were tainted oral stories written generations after the events by religious zealots and not historical scribes.


The fact is that the death of a Jew meant nothing to the Roman conquerors. They handed out crucifixions like speeding tickets and no governor of a Province would bother to bow down to personally offer a hearing of clemency to a crowd of Jews. Secondly, the original Greek Gospels are believed to be an allegorical story originally written by Mark the Apostle. In the Greek text, which was wrongly translated into Latin, the names of the two prisoners are Jesus of Nazareth and Jesus Barabbas. Barabbas (bar abbas) means Son of the Father, and so in the allegorical version, Pilate give the Jews a choice, to set free Jesus of Nazareth (the man) or Jesus, son of the Father (the divine spirit). The Jews choose to set free Jesus Barabbas or the Jesus, Son of the Father. The fact is that the Roman Catholic Church prohibited the translation of the Greek Gospels for more than a thousand years until the King James Version. In the Latin version which was translated from the Greek the name Jesus Barabbas was shorten to Barabbas and the allegorical nature of the story is lost.

LOL. Unless you were there yourself in person at the time of Christ's crucifixion in your desert issue sandals and bed-sheet attire, you, Zyber, are drawing your conclusions from essentially the same source from which I am.

[Zyber]

Originally Posted by Mondocane

LOL. Unless you were there yourself in person at the time of Christ's crucifixion in your desert issue sandals and bed-sheet attire, you, Zyber, are drawing your conclusions from essentially the same source from which I am.

Mondocane, as an atheist for 35 years I've read the works of many Judeo-Christian deconstructionists on the historicity of Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Nearly all the biblical and quranic accounts are marginal historical factoids mixed with myths and legend. I always find it funny how people believe the bible's account to be factual.

[Mondocane]

^ I have never read the Bible. One can read all religious material penned through the ages and still be unable to know the facts - valid about the events surrounding Christ's demise as it is of today's times. Take WWII and the holocaust, for example - we are still debating its veracity. We usually tend to get confused with the details and often fail to notice the importance of the events.

On a side note, if your atheism gives you inner peace that is all that matters. Your atheism is your religion.

[Marquis]

"We are all made of stars" and beyond that....I might ask a witch.

[gibing]

One must one day deal with the almighty creator for the sins they have committed here on earth.

[Marquis]

Would That It Could Be So

[Zyber]

Originally Posted by Mondocane

^ I have never read the Bible. One can read all religious material penned through the ages and still be unable to know the facts - valid about the events surrounding Christ's demise as it is of today's times. Take WWII and the holocaust, for example - we are still debating its veracity. We usually tend to get confused with the details and often fail to notice the importance of the events.

On a side note, if your atheism gives you inner peace that is all that matters. Your atheism is your religion.

That is what Historicity is about. "Historicity" attempts to examine the historical authenticity of legends, myths, and biblical accounts. For example a comprehensive historicity of the Noah account of a deluge will lead us to the Sumerian tale "Epic of Gilgamesh" in which a parallel legend of pagan gods angry at earth bound mortals floods a civilization and a single man and his family and his cattle are saved by divine intervention.

Note that there is a subtle difference between the term History and Historicity. When the term historicity is used, it implies that its a hypothetical attempt to authenticate a legend...and Jesus is for all purpose a legend, as is Moses, Abraham, Adam, Noah and all those biblical figures. I do give the Muslims credit for the fact that Mohammed was the first so call figure to be born at a time when people were a bit more literate and his Koran was written as he lived and he was able to edit his work. But it also doesn't mean that Mohammed was anything but a brigand and a charlatan.

[Marquis]

Yup Agreed

[Mondocane]

So historicity endeavours to shed light in the same manner as or with the assistance of science on an alleged historic event, the premise, by bombarding it facts to determine whether the premise still stands valid. That I respect. However the basis of my religion is faith, blind faith and I choose to be blind as I know that in the grand scheme of things I am but a little insignificant granule of sand.

Zyber, the only truth is in knowing that we know nothing.

[benado]

Argentino..guess what you guys r pretty much all antisemitics! By the way before you start with the El Che crap ..don't think he even knew about the Palestinians.. What a waste of a country. Really your economy is totally desimated ad you've got more Brazilians than Argentinians by now..Oh forgot they're brown too.

[mapko]

Originally Posted by Jared

Did you know Al-Asqa was built on the ancient temple of solomon. Built right over it

good.

[mapko]

Originally Posted by CrazySlasher

If I went to Israel I'd be treated like a human being

i wouldnt hold your breath on that one.

[CrazySlasher]

Originally Posted by december23

i wouldnt hold your breath on that one.

Why is that?