Fav Murderer Thread

[Sulfur Laxative]

"Today I am dirty, but tomorrow I'll be just dirt".



CARL PANZRAM


He was a remorseless, vicious killer, a child rapist, a man with no soul. Born in rural Minnesota in 1891, he began a life-long odyssey of crime and murder at the age of eight. By the time he was eleven, his family sent him off to a reform school as part of a plea bargain on a burglary charge. Repeatedly sodomized and physically tortured during his two years at the juvenile home, his emotional problems grew progressively worse. As a teenager, he enjoyed setting fires so he could watch buildings burn and often fantasized about committing mass murder. After he raped and murdered a 12-year-old boy in 1922, he joyfully recalled the killing: "His brains were coming out of his ears when I left him. I am not sorry. My conscious doesn't bother me. I sleep sound and have sweet dreams."

His name was Carl Panzram, one of America's most ferocious, unrepentant serial killers. Embittered by years of torture, beatings and sexual abuse both in and out of prison, Panzram evolved into a man who was meanness personified. He hated everyone, including himself. "I was so full of hate that there was no room in me for such feelings as love, pity, kindness or honor or decency," he said, "my only regret is that I wasn't born dead or not at all." He lived a nomadic existence, committing crimes in Europe, Scotland, the United States, South America and once killed six men in a day in Africa and fed their bodies to hungry crocodiles. He spent most of his chaotic life in prisons where archaic methods of repression included physical tortures that were reminiscent of medieval times.

But when he was on the loose, Panzram murdered, raped and burned his way across the country in a mission of destruction that was unlike anything law enforcement had ever seen before. To explain his debauchery, he said his parents "were ignorant, and thru their improper teachings and improper environment, I was gradually led into the wrong way of living." But it was the prisons that Panzram hated most. Throughout his life, he was trapped in a hopeless cycle of incarceration, crime and jail. Dr. Karl Menninger once described Panzram as a man "faced with the problem of evil in himself and in the rest of us. I have always carried him in my mind as the logical product of our prison system."

On the day of his execution in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary in 1930, he ran happily up the gallows steps, spit in the executioner's face and yelled: "Hurry up you bastard, I could kill ten men while you're fooling around!"

This is the story of a man who was "too evil to live." He was a true misanthrope, a man who hated human beings. He made no apologies for what he was and placed the blame for his deviance squarely on the doorstep of society's institutions. There is no need to exaggerate or expand on the life and crimes of Carl Panzram. The truth is enough.

teaser for Panzram documentary

PANZRAM: A Journal of Murder @ Amazon.com
PANZRAM: A Journal of Murder @ Amazon.com

painting of Panzram by Joe Coleman;

[xsuzie]

I never really had a fave; I guess Charles Manson is certain;y up there. I wrote him a letter and stuff. He never wrote back =(
He was sexy when he had dreads

[aRyan]

Panzram, Erzebeth Bathory, Gilles De Rais

[thesilvervixen]

My favorite is David Parker Ray.
From looking for info on him online, there's not too much, but he was a complete sadistic psychopath.
I've read the book written about him, called "Cries in the Desert". It's a good read.
It's a shame he died only after a year in jail for his crimes.

[aRyan]

Originally Posted by thesilvervixen

My favorite is David Parker Ray.
From looking for info on him online, there's not too much, but he was a complete sadistic psychopath.
I've read the book written about him, called "Cries in the Desert". It's a good read.
It's a shame he died only after a year in jail for his crimes.

Never heard of him - I am going to look him up now.

But why do you say it is a shame he died?

[AngelLust]

Bundy,but just because he was handsome and had good taste in women and murder cars.

[gorygirl666]

If you want to find out ANY information from every major killer known to man...go here www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/index.htm

My favorite(s) are Albert Fish and Elizabeth Bathory...heres some more info on their disturbing history...



"There is no known perversion that Albert Fish did not practice," wrote the prison psychiatrist who interviewed 66-year-old Albert Fish in 1934. A housepainter and father of six children, Fish also happened to be a multiple killer, child molester, and cannibal. Claiming to have attacked over 100 children. This he revealed in a confession so shocking that even the prosecuting attorneys were loath to read it aloud in court.

In 1928, Fish indulged his taste for human flesh on a 12-year-old girl named Grace Budd. She was the daughter of parents who knew and trusted Fish. When fish offered to take her to a party for children, they let him do so without any misgivings. Instead of a party, Fish took Grace to his cottage in Westchester county, New York. Stripping himself naked, Fish strangled the child, and then beheaded and dismembered her with a meat cleaver. He then cooked her body parts into a stew seasoned with onions and carrots. Albert Fish then consumed this grisly repast down to the last awful morsel, then he vanished.

A routine X-ray revealed 29 seperate needles inserted around his groin, several were large sailmaker's needles, which were endangering his bladder and vital organs. Fish confessed that he had been inserting and removing needles for years. He also liked sticking needles into his child victims. He always seemed to enjoy inflicting pain, even soaking bits of cotton wool, saturating them with alcohol, inserting them in his rectum and setting fire to them.

He was executed on January 16, 1936. In New York's Sing Sing. While waiting to be executed, in his final minutes, he remarked that this was "the supreme thrill, the only one I haven't tried." He even help the executioner to attach the electrodes to his leg.

In his own words "I learned to like the taste of human flesh many years ago during a famine in China. It is something like veal. Little girls have more flavour than little boys."


And Elizabeth Bathory...


The Hungarian Countess Elizabeth Báthory, born in 1560, lived most of her life in the late Sixteenth Century. The Báthorys were an especially highly placed, well connected, and powerful noble family.


Countess Elizabeth Báthory may have been a butcher far more terrible than Jack the Ripper. In fact, the crimes attributed to her would make her one of the worst mass murderers in history.

Legend tells us this very rich, beautiful and high born woman tortured and murdered some 650 young women and bathed in their warm blood to keep herself beautiful.


Nádasdy may or may not have known of his wife's murders but he was a cruel man himself and tortured servants when he was home (though he may not have tortured them to death). He had a maid who was supposedly "lazy" stripped naked in front of male servants, then smeared with honey and forced to stand for a full day while bees and insects bit and stung her.

The Countess had her own, very peculiar streak of cruelty toward servants--if they were female. Báthory punished them by placing a piece of paper between a woman's toes and setting it on fire. She chastized suspected thieves by heating a coin, then forcing the culprit to hold it until it sizzled a mark in her palm. If a servant failed to press the Countess's garments adequately, a hot iron would be held to her face until she was scarred for life. These treatments often resulted in death but that was neither surprising nor disappointing to the callous Countess.

Soon, and concomitantly with these stern punishments, Báthory pursued torture as a hobby. The infliction of humiliation (girls in their teens were routinely forced to strip naked in the presence of male serfs), terror, pain, and death was an exciting pastime similar to gambling or sports for Elizabeth Báthory. It is likely that as many as 650 women and girls, some as young as twelve years of age, lost their lives to her bloodlust.

To understand why Báthory got away with her crimes for as long as she did, we need to understand the position of peasants in her country at the time as well as the privileges accorded high birth. There had been a Hungarian peasant uprising in 1524, a generation before the Countess's birth. It had been crushed and the rebels subjected to truly diabolical punishments. Their leader was "roasted alive on an iron throne and his followers forced to eat his flesh before they themselves were broken on the wheel and hanged." (McNally)

During Báthory's day, McNally explained, "peasants were in general treated quite harshly, servants were often recruited by force and usually subjected to bodily punishment by their Hungarian overlords. They were considered chattel and had no real rights...A peasant could sometimes leave the service of the lord, according to the law, but in practice this did not happen, since the lord could accuse the peasant of some crime and have him convicted by the courts."


The story of why Báthory's decades long crime spree was ended is highly ironic. There were three factors which contributed to her downfall. The first is that she started preying upon young girls and women of the lesser nobility. The second reason is that (perhaps because her atrocities had gone unremarked for so very long) she became sloppier in her disposals: she sometimes just tossed corpses out of her carriage to rot and be eaten by wolves. The third, and probably most important reason, for her arrest is that running a murder factory was becoming expensive (she had long ago killed off the young serf women who "belonged" to her estates and was having to send her henchwomen farther and farther afield to recruit the unsuspecting), so Báthory began pestering the King for payment on loans he had taken from her late husband. It was the King's desire to cancel these loans (under their law, they were no longer active if the person to whom money was owed was in prison); in large part, that led him to demand Báthory be arrested.

The privilege of high birth still held in the matter of punishment. The Countess's underlings were tortured and executed while Báthory herself was sentenced to imprisonment in one room at her own castle. She was walled up there, living in darkness and solitary confinement until her death a couple of years later.

[aRyan]

The Crime Library is also a good website for serial killers, gorygirl666.

Isn't Erzebeth Bathory an interesting read?

Have you heard of Gilles De Rais?

[gorygirl666]

I've heard of Gilles De Rais but im just not as interested in him as i am with others...he is an interesting read though as well...

[Sulfur Laxative]

"I'm a mistake of nature"



ANDREI CHIKATILO

The first body found was mostly bones. A man looking for firewood in the lesopolosa, a rectangular "shelterbelt" or forested strip of land planted to prevent erosion, found the remains. While the area was only about 50 yards wide, with a path running through it, no one had seen this body until it was pretty well decomposed. There were small patches of leathered skin on some of the bones and some black hair hanging from the skull. The man who found the remains reported them to the militsia, the local authorities in this southern region of Russia

The body had no identifying clothing and had been left on its back, the head turned to one side. The ears were still sufficiently intact to see tiny holes for earrings, and those, along with the length of the hair, suggested that this victim had been female. It also appeared from her postmortem posture that she had tried to fight her attacker. It appeared that two ribs had been broken, perhaps by a knife, and closer inspection indicated numerous stab wounds into the bone. A knife had apparently cut into the eye sockets, too, as if to remove the eyes, and similar gouges were viewed in the pelvic region.

Whoever had done this, the police thought, had been a frenzied beast.

A&E Biography

Comrade Chikatilo @ Amazon

[Sulfur Laxative]

Tsutomu Miyazaki

from Movies Made Me Murder @ the Crime Library :

Another murderer seemingly influenced by Japanese pornography and anime was Tsutomu Miyazaki, a.k.a., "the Little Girl Murderer." As a boy, Miyazaki was physically challenged and he thus developed into a loner who thrived on fantasy and comic books. Highly sexed, he moved on to child pornography and reportedly collected thousands of videos, as well as Japanese anime, or live action films based on cartoons. Apparently, he was influenced by horror films, especially the series of "Guinea Pig" films, and there is speculation that the second one in that series became a model for one of his murders.

Trial (no subtitles)

Otaku Discrimination part 2

about his execution

[Thanatos]

chikatilo, gurning freak and pedo snuff merchant

fish, perverted pensioner and animal groper

sawney-bean, myth or otherwise, a bloody good yarn.

[perrrvo]

manson is the coolest (check my avatar)

[SuicidePact]

Gary Ridgway "Green River Killer"

Background information
Birth name: Gary Leon Ridgway
Alias(es): Green River Killer Nickname at Kenworth Trucking company
Born: February 18, 1949
Salt Lake City, Utah, United States
Penalty: Life
Killings
Number of victims: Convicted of 48 - Admitted to 71+ then closer to 90
Span of killings: 1982–1998
Country: United States
State(s): Washington
Date apprehended: November

Richard Ramirez "Night Stalker"

Background information
Birth name: Ricardo Muñoz Ramírez
Alias(es): The Night Stalker
Born: February 29, 1960 (1960-02-29) (age 48)
El Paso, Texas
Penalty: Death
Killings
Number of victims: 14
Span of killings: June 28, 1984–August 24, 1985
Country: U.S.
State(s): California
Date apprehended: August

Of all the serial killers I've researched about, they stood out the most to me.

Cool photo vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huTGN3nJywg

[Lady_Lindir]

I guess I'm into the classics : Ted Bundy, Manson, Jack the Ripper (who didn't kill only 5 people, I'm certain of it), Elizabeth Bathory, Gilles de Rais and Joseph Vacher.
They're really fascinating.